we know what happened to hillary clinton when she tried to take on health care. we certainly saw nancy reagan take a lot of hits how close she was to her husband. what did you find out about that and those relationships and particularly influence? >> well, when you think about it, there may only be one person that comes to a president without someone else's agenda in mind. that is the first lady. over the years they have had tremendous influence over their husbands and they are their confidants and political partners. rosalind carter was attending cabinet meetings and nancy reagan, some say she had a role in firing the ef choo chief of staff so it goes back as well. >> let me ask you finally i thought there was a fascinating poll c-span commissioned. 44% thought first ladies should get a salary for what she do. what can you tell us about the significant role besides confidant and maybe adviser that first ladies have played over the years? >> they often turned out to be fundraisers, campaign managers. they also had special projects that they liked. i think that be